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	<title>Comments on: Barrack Obama, Jeremiah Wright And America&#8217;s Crisis of True Faith</title>
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		<title>By: chrismc42</title>
		<link>http://spiritjournals.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/barrack-obama-jeremiah-wright-and-americas-crisis-of-true-faith/#comment-620</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment on Reform Islam's Post:

"Muslims Against Sharia call on Senators McCain and Obama to cut all ties with their racist, Islamophobic, and anti-Semitic supporters"

And we call on the Muslim world to denounce ALL VIOLENCE stated in the Koran against Christians and Jews as well as recognize the fact Israel has a Biblical and spiritual right to the land Islam seeks to subvert and conquer in the Middle East. Call those who tell the truth about Islam as "racist," if you like, but when a religion calls for the exterminiation of all Jews and Christians, as ISLAM DOES through the pages of its so-called "holy book," then one has more than just a problem or "islamophobia," as you put it but friend, but one has a legitimate problem with a religion is NOT a peaceful religion, but a bloody one. Islam has lived by the sword since the days of Esau and Jacob and it will continue to live by the sword as we move closer into the last of the last days. Ezekiel, the Jewish prophet, declared in Ezekiel 35:1-5 that because the lineage of Edom (the Arab world) has had an "ancient hatred," against the children of Israel, that hatred would be the source of God's chastisement on the Arab world and if they refuse to repent, their destruction. Israel is the apple of God's Eye - Zech. 2:8 and as such, even though she is not perfect and away from God on a national level at the present time, she WILL one day be restored and placed again as the HEAD of all nations! Whether the Islamic world wants to accept that or not matters little in the scope of things to come. God will be glorified in Israel and Israel will one day return to God!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment on Reform Islam&#8217;s Post:</p>
<p>&#8220;Muslims Against Sharia call on Senators McCain and Obama to cut all ties with their racist, Islamophobic, and anti-Semitic supporters&#8221;</p>
<p>And we call on the Muslim world to denounce ALL VIOLENCE stated in the Koran against Christians and Jews as well as recognize the fact Israel has a Biblical and spiritual right to the land Islam seeks to subvert and conquer in the Middle East. Call those who tell the truth about Islam as &#8220;racist,&#8221; if you like, but when a religion calls for the exterminiation of all Jews and Christians, as ISLAM DOES through the pages of its so-called &#8220;holy book,&#8221; then one has more than just a problem or &#8220;islamophobia,&#8221; as you put it but friend, but one has a legitimate problem with a religion is NOT a peaceful religion, but a bloody one. Islam has lived by the sword since the days of Esau and Jacob and it will continue to live by the sword as we move closer into the last of the last days. Ezekiel, the Jewish prophet, declared in Ezekiel 35:1-5 that because the lineage of Edom (the Arab world) has had an &#8220;ancient hatred,&#8221; against the children of Israel, that hatred would be the source of God&#8217;s chastisement on the Arab world and if they refuse to repent, their destruction. Israel is the apple of God&#8217;s Eye - Zech. 2:8 and as such, even though she is not perfect and away from God on a national level at the present time, she WILL one day be restored and placed again as the HEAD of all nations! Whether the Islamic world wants to accept that or not matters little in the scope of things to come. God will be glorified in Israel and Israel will one day return to God!</p>
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		<title>By: chrismc42</title>
		<link>http://spiritjournals.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/barrack-obama-jeremiah-wright-and-americas-crisis-of-true-faith/#comment-619</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, I appreciate your comments even though I disagree with your view on this. This issue about Jeremiah Wright and Barrack Obama is NOT about race, but about an individual who spews anti-American hatred from behind his pulpit, claming AIDS was an effort by the US Government to destroy blacks as well as 9-11 being orchestrated by America herself. In addition, this man is extremely anti-Semitic with views on Israel that do NOT line up with those of God's Word. I don't judge Barrack Obama based on Mr. Wright's WORDS but I DO judge Obama's judgement for associating himself with such an individual who would say such things. I do not believe Obama's claim he never heard anything like this in the 20 years he and his wife attended the church but I'll leave that alone for now. On a more pertinent issue, I think most reasonable thinking Americans feel sorrow for the things the African-American communities have went through over the years and the racisim that has existed even to this day. As you say however, you cannot judge the actions of words of a few extremists and lump all Americans in that group. Mr. Wright's comments were offensive, arrogant, obnoxious and just plain stupid if you don't mind me saying so. And furthermore, if his brand of Christianity has produced these sentiments, let me assure you that his brand of Christianity is NOT the Chrsitianity of the Bible, nor is it the Christianity of the TRUE CHRIST, whose motives to come and die on a Cross 2,000 years ago were not political, but SPIRITUAL. Man did not need a politician to save him from his sin - He needed a REDEEMER and that REDEEMER is the Lord Jesus Christ who is not either a Democrat or a Republican. HE IS GOD and as such all mankind will one day bow and declare that HE IS LORD OF ALL. Mr. Wright needs to meet Jesus in a real way. And if the "JESUS" that Mr. Wright introduced Barack Obama to produced this hatred in Mr. Wright's heart for his own country, then his Jesus is false and not the Jesus of the Bible, nor is this false Jesus able to save either Mr. Wright or Mr. Obama from the eternal destination both men, along with us all, face one day when we stand before the Lord. The way of the CROSS leads home and the way of the true CHRIST is a path of LOVE, not hate; of seeking to deliver men's souls, not promote political parties; to set at liberty those who are bruised and broken; not rail against the apple of God's eye - ISRAEL - and liken her to an apartheid state as Wright did. Take these comments as you may but the crisis of Mr. Wright's comments are more a crisis of faith than they are a crisis of race!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, I appreciate your comments even though I disagree with your view on this. This issue about Jeremiah Wright and Barrack Obama is NOT about race, but about an individual who spews anti-American hatred from behind his pulpit, claming AIDS was an effort by the US Government to destroy blacks as well as 9-11 being orchestrated by America herself. In addition, this man is extremely anti-Semitic with views on Israel that do NOT line up with those of God&#8217;s Word. I don&#8217;t judge Barrack Obama based on Mr. Wright&#8217;s WORDS but I DO judge Obama&#8217;s judgement for associating himself with such an individual who would say such things. I do not believe Obama&#8217;s claim he never heard anything like this in the 20 years he and his wife attended the church but I&#8217;ll leave that alone for now. On a more pertinent issue, I think most reasonable thinking Americans feel sorrow for the things the African-American communities have went through over the years and the racisim that has existed even to this day. As you say however, you cannot judge the actions of words of a few extremists and lump all Americans in that group. Mr. Wright&#8217;s comments were offensive, arrogant, obnoxious and just plain stupid if you don&#8217;t mind me saying so. And furthermore, if his brand of Christianity has produced these sentiments, let me assure you that his brand of Christianity is NOT the Chrsitianity of the Bible, nor is it the Christianity of the TRUE CHRIST, whose motives to come and die on a Cross 2,000 years ago were not political, but SPIRITUAL. Man did not need a politician to save him from his sin - He needed a REDEEMER and that REDEEMER is the Lord Jesus Christ who is not either a Democrat or a Republican. HE IS GOD and as such all mankind will one day bow and declare that HE IS LORD OF ALL. Mr. Wright needs to meet Jesus in a real way. And if the &#8220;JESUS&#8221; that Mr. Wright introduced Barack Obama to produced this hatred in Mr. Wright&#8217;s heart for his own country, then his Jesus is false and not the Jesus of the Bible, nor is this false Jesus able to save either Mr. Wright or Mr. Obama from the eternal destination both men, along with us all, face one day when we stand before the Lord. The way of the CROSS leads home and the way of the true CHRIST is a path of LOVE, not hate; of seeking to deliver men&#8217;s souls, not promote political parties; to set at liberty those who are bruised and broken; not rail against the apple of God&#8217;s eye - ISRAEL - and liken her to an apartheid state as Wright did. Take these comments as you may but the crisis of Mr. Wright&#8217;s comments are more a crisis of faith than they are a crisis of race!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Wibecan</title>
		<link>http://spiritjournals.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/barrack-obama-jeremiah-wright-and-americas-crisis-of-true-faith/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Wibecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RACE AND THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE
By Ken Wibecan

The current racial tornado threatening to overwhelm Barrack Obama’s candidacy can be a good thing. A serious dialogue on race in America has been needed for decades, and if recent incidents calm down we might get to that inclusive United States of America of which Obama speaks. Although he is 10 years younger than me, Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright, theologian, noted preacher and retiring pastor of Obama’s church, is from my generation. I understand why he speaks as he does. 

African American elders still recall with horror newspaper and magazine photos of dead people of color hanging from trees. We were subjects of insults in movies and newspaper cartoons that were only funny to others. The myth of “separate but equal” rings in my ears as if it were yesterday. Then there was that all-Negro Company in which I served during the Korean War, three years after President Harry Truman required the Army to be integrated.

During my early years the only brown-skinned professional basketball players were the Harlem Globetrotters, and it wasn’t until 1947 when major league baseball was integrated, fourteen years before Obama was born. The Senator has never seen a segregated ball game. I have. We old folks were young then and active participants in the fight for equality that took place while Barrack Obama was being conceived.

He grew up in a different world, one more inclusive made possible by the activism of persons including Jeremiah Wright, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Fannie Lou Hamer, John Lewis and others of varied hues. Many who participated still bear scars from the battles and continue to vocalize their righteous indignation as does Dr. Wright. But for younger people of color to be forced to repudiate their elders because the elders still harbor resentment at past injustices is clear evidence of domination and oppression. It’s like asking someone to kick grandpa out of the house because they don’t like some things he says.

During the 1980s my best friend Rev Louis Chase, a United Methodist minister, and I were part of a multi-racial discussion group that met regularly in Long Beach, California. Following one of Minister Louis Farrakhan’s incendiary statements Chase and I were asked by several members of the group to publicly repudiate Farrakhan’s statements. We both refused because when one is asked to repudiate another person’s statements there is a tacit assumption that you agree with them unless you say you don’t. We found that concept offensive, and still do. Obama need not apologize for any of Rev Wright’s statements whether or not he was present at the sermons.
 
Obama is part of the new generation of Americans, more concerned with where we are going than where we have been—and he wants to lead America there. He is not an optimist. The “audacity of hope” isn’t stifled by the knowledge that most of the Founding Fathers of this country were slaveholders. Or that Independence Day for people of color is not July 4th, but January 1, 1863, the day the Emancipation Proclamation was signed. Separate realities must of necessity fit into a cohesive whole like pieces into the national jigsaw puzzle.

Obama’s opponents and enemies should not hold his feet to the fire for comments made by others. In fact all the candidates should stop such nonsense. Hillary is not responsible for Geraldine Ferraro’s statements, McCain is not responsible for comments made by his supporters, and neither is Obama.

One of the freedoms we cherish most in this nation is freedom of speech. Those who expect a candidate to agree with everyone who supports him or her need to ask whether or not they would really like to live in a nation of automatons. Race will always be part of the American dialogue. It’s up to the wiser of us to make sure that the discussion is constructive and doesn’t get too unpleasant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RACE AND THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE<br />
By Ken Wibecan</p>
<p>The current racial tornado threatening to overwhelm Barrack Obama’s candidacy can be a good thing. A serious dialogue on race in America has been needed for decades, and if recent incidents calm down we might get to that inclusive United States of America of which Obama speaks. Although he is 10 years younger than me, Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright, theologian, noted preacher and retiring pastor of Obama’s church, is from my generation. I understand why he speaks as he does. </p>
<p>African American elders still recall with horror newspaper and magazine photos of dead people of color hanging from trees. We were subjects of insults in movies and newspaper cartoons that were only funny to others. The myth of “separate but equal” rings in my ears as if it were yesterday. Then there was that all-Negro Company in which I served during the Korean War, three years after President Harry Truman required the Army to be integrated.</p>
<p>During my early years the only brown-skinned professional basketball players were the Harlem Globetrotters, and it wasn’t until 1947 when major league baseball was integrated, fourteen years before Obama was born. The Senator has never seen a segregated ball game. I have. We old folks were young then and active participants in the fight for equality that took place while Barrack Obama was being conceived.</p>
<p>He grew up in a different world, one more inclusive made possible by the activism of persons including Jeremiah Wright, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Fannie Lou Hamer, John Lewis and others of varied hues. Many who participated still bear scars from the battles and continue to vocalize their righteous indignation as does Dr. Wright. But for younger people of color to be forced to repudiate their elders because the elders still harbor resentment at past injustices is clear evidence of domination and oppression. It’s like asking someone to kick grandpa out of the house because they don’t like some things he says.</p>
<p>During the 1980s my best friend Rev Louis Chase, a United Methodist minister, and I were part of a multi-racial discussion group that met regularly in Long Beach, California. Following one of Minister Louis Farrakhan’s incendiary statements Chase and I were asked by several members of the group to publicly repudiate Farrakhan’s statements. We both refused because when one is asked to repudiate another person’s statements there is a tacit assumption that you agree with them unless you say you don’t. We found that concept offensive, and still do. Obama need not apologize for any of Rev Wright’s statements whether or not he was present at the sermons.</p>
<p>Obama is part of the new generation of Americans, more concerned with where we are going than where we have been—and he wants to lead America there. He is not an optimist. The “audacity of hope” isn’t stifled by the knowledge that most of the Founding Fathers of this country were slaveholders. Or that Independence Day for people of color is not July 4th, but January 1, 1863, the day the Emancipation Proclamation was signed. Separate realities must of necessity fit into a cohesive whole like pieces into the national jigsaw puzzle.</p>
<p>Obama’s opponents and enemies should not hold his feet to the fire for comments made by others. In fact all the candidates should stop such nonsense. Hillary is not responsible for Geraldine Ferraro’s statements, McCain is not responsible for comments made by his supporters, and neither is Obama.</p>
<p>One of the freedoms we cherish most in this nation is freedom of speech. Those who expect a candidate to agree with everyone who supports him or her need to ask whether or not they would really like to live in a nation of automatons. Race will always be part of the American dialogue. It’s up to the wiser of us to make sure that the discussion is constructive and doesn’t get too unpleasant.</p>
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		<title>By: reformislam</title>
		<link>http://spiritjournals.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/barrack-obama-jeremiah-wright-and-americas-crisis-of-true-faith/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>reformislam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslims Against Sharia call on Senators McCain and Obama to cut all ties with their racist, Islamophobic, and anti-Semitic supporters.</description>
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